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Things Every Precision Shooter Should Know

 

Besides a rifle, the most important accessory for a varmint hunter is a telescopic sight.  We call it a scope, but it is important to remember that it is principally a sight.  Many shooters, your scribe included, have, at one time or another, spent more quid on a scope than the rifle itself.  Most of my scopes are Leupold, but lately I have tried a few other brands such as Bushnell and Sightron and I am quite impressed with both.  I want to share my observations, as well as some scope problems that have plagued me recently or questions I have seen on internet bulletin boards.  Since my problems might be your problems, let’s start take a look at what I have learned, or in some cases, relearned, in the past few years about scopes.

 

Issue #1:  I am shooting at long range.  I am using a Leupold scope with target knobs.  I adjust my vertical turret to raise the bullet impact, but my bullet impact is still low or has not moved at all.

 

The other day I was shooting one of my long range rifles at 700 yards.  I wanted to try at 780 yards, so I came up 10 clicks.  I shot one bullet and drove downrange to see if I hit.  Seeing no new bullet hole in the target, I thought my allowance for windage must have been wrong.  I added some more windage and fired again.  Again, inspection revealed that I had missed the entire target.  I repeated the exercise once more before it dawned on me to look at my vertical target knob.  The rotation counter showed I was just above the fourth rotation – and also exposed the nature of my problem.  Leupold target knobs will move five rotations, but they only have 44 MOA of total adjustment, or 22 MOA from center in either direction (in a 6.5-20X with a 1 inch tube).  Each rotation is 60 clicks or 15 MOA, which means that from center, or 2 ½ rotations, the erector tube is bottomed out at 22 MOA.  Since each revolution is 15 MOA, one full turn past optical center puts up at 3 ½ rotations, and 7 (22-15 = 7) additional MOA puts us two clicks shy of the 4th rotation counter.   The scope knobs will still turn, but since the erector tube is bumping against the scope housing, nothing happens.  If you shoot at long range, be sure you are not beyond the fourth rotation counter or are otherwise outside of the scope’s adjustment range.  And Leupold is not the only scope with target adjustment knobs that turn after the erector tube has bottomed out.  It is the nature of the beast.  In fact, Leupold scopes are among the best in terms of total adjustment range (adjustment range is often sacrificed for optical quality – more on that latter).

 

Now realizing my problem, I decided to use holdover to connect.  Since all of my long range scopes have mil-dot reticles, I calculated the required holdover using this reticle, held over, and hit the target.

 

The same problem occurred two weeks later, with a different rifle.  I was shooting in Arizona and ran out of room when I went to 750 yards.  I again used the mil-dot reticle to hold over and then hit the target.

 

If you suspect that you have this problem, the easiest way to confirm it is to slap an optical bore sighter on your rifle, then move the vertical adjustment up.  Does the reticle move down against the bore sighter grid?  (By the way, when you look through a boresighter and move the vertical “UP,” it will move the reticle down, which forces you to raise the gun to center the crosshair on the target.)  If it does not, try moving it the other way – it should up on the grid.  If moving the vertical adjustment up does move the reticle down on the bore sighter grid, you know the erector tube is bottomed out.

 

As much as I love mil-dots, I prefer clicking my vertical adjustment to connect at long range, so when I run out of adjustment, something must to done to provide more elevation.  The solution to lack of vertical adjustment is to shim the scope, shim the rings, or install a long range base.  I prefer to use a long range base.  These bases are machined so that the rear is slightly higher than the front.  Leupold makes Redfield-type base that is tapered to provide an extra 15 MOA of vertical adjustment.  If you have a standard one-piece base, you can insert shim stock under the rear portion of the base.  Every .001 of shim stock provides about 1 MOA of additional elevation.  Some shooters have had good luck shimming their scope rings, but I don’t do it, as it ends up torquing the scope.  

 

 

Issue #2:  I read on the internet that any use of scope shims will torque the scope.

 

If you use two piece mounts, using shims under the rear scope is a bad idea, because the rear mount will be higher than the front, and this will cause torsion if the receiver is perfectly aligned and the bases are machined perfectly.  If the receiver is not perfect, then using a shim under a rear mount might just make a bad situation better. 

 

If you use a one piece mount, then shimming under the rear the rear of the mount is okay.  Theoretically, the area of the mounting base under the second screw will now be very slightly elevated and produce a small moment in the base, but I seriously doubt this would translate into an induced moment, or torque, in the scope.

 

Burris has recently come out with a new line of rings, dubbed the Signature series.  These rings have different polymer inserts that when installed, provide the same benefit as a tapered base.  Burris claims these rings have additional benefits.

 

Here is how they work.  The inserts wrap around the scope and come in halves.  Each half is labeled; a “0” insert is neutral, whereas an insert labeled “-15” will, when placed in the bottom of the front ring, raise the bullet impact 15 inches at 100 yards if combined with a “+15” insert on the top half of the front ring.  You can also move the scope left and right using inserts in the rear ring, only rotated 90 degrees. 

 

Now, those of you who have been paying attention might think, “Gee, that is really nothing more than shimming the rings.”  Well, these inserts are self-aligning, much the same way bearings are self-aligning.  The ring surface is convex, while the outside of the insert is concave.  The result is the ability to move the scope angle with respect to the bore without inducing torque on the scope and all the while allowing a shooter to keep the scope at or near its optical center.  The idea is wonderful, and makes a lot of sense.  Guess what kind of rings I will try next time?

 

 

Issue #3: My scope adjustments are erratic – vertical adjustment results in a windage change as well, or a windage adjustment results in an unexpected vertical change.

 

I noticed this with one of the rifles mentioned above – as I cranked on my vertical adjustment, I got some weird windage shifts.  The culprit is the same as Issue #1 – the erector assembly is not even close to optical center, and the erector tube is riding against the scope body tube.  The erector assembly is a tube within the scope.  When you look through the scope and center the crosshairs on a target, you are really looking through the erector tube, which together with its collection of lenses, is often called the erector assembly.  As you adjust the windage and elevation, you are really tilting the erector tube up, down, right, or left, which explains why crosshair is always constantly centered.

 

Problems occur when the erector tube is tilted quite a bit in either the vertical or horizontal direction.  Suppose you go out to zero a rifle…the first few shots show you are perfect on elevation, but you need to come way right, because your bullets are hitting way to the left.  You dial in a bunch of clicks to the right, which unloads the spring holding the erector tube horizontally.  Let’s say you dialed in enough clicks so that the erector tube is almost touching the scope tube body itself.  You are going to have problems if you try and move the bullet impact up, because the erector tube will start to ride the scope body.  You will either run out of elevation, or the windage will be erratic.

 

All scopes today use an erector tube, and all scopes will have significant problems if the final zero places the erector tube outside of the optical center.  Even though many shooters like the Weaver-style bases, I still have a soft spot in my heart for the old Redfield type base, as it allows one to use the windage screws on the rear of the base to zero for windage.  This preserves elevation travel.  The more windage travel you use for your zero, the less vertical you will have in the field.  Using a Leupold 6.5-20X with a one inch tube, for example, you will lose ½, or 11 MOA, of vertical travel if you use 11 MOA (44 clicks) to obtain the correct windage zero.  Of course, the Burris Signature rings will allow you to zero and stay close to the scopes optical center, but instead of pitching the scope up and down, we turn the insert 90 degrees and pitch the scope left to right.

 

Issue #4:  Is there an easy way to determine how far I am from my scope’s optical center? 

 

Finding the optical center of a scope is easy if you have a target scope, but if you don’t, here is a neat trick from Garth Kendig at Leupold: turn the scope power to its lowest level, then hold a mirror in front of the objective lens.  You will see two reticles.  Turn the adjustments until the reticles are superimposed over each other.

 

Issue #5:  Since I like to shoot at long range, shouldn’t I select a scope that has 1/8 inch adjustments?  And along those same lines, why not select a scope that has a 4:1 power boost instead of a 3:1?

 

These two “features” that at first glance seem to be good deals deserve scrutiny if you are a long range shooter.  Let’s take these one at time…

 

When I shoot at 800 yards with a scope with ¼ inch adjustments, one click on my scope moves my bullet impact 2 inches.  My goal is to keep my bullets within 5 inches of my aiming point, so you can see one click can make a difference, especially when it comes to elevation changes (wind is such a problem at this range that coarse adjustments are the least of my worries).  If my scope had 1/8 inch adjustments, then I one click would only move my bullet impact 1 inch.

 

This sounds wonderful, but if you have a scope with 1/8 MOA adjustments, place it alongside a scope with ¼ MOA adjustments.  Look at the lines on the elevation dial of the 1/8 MOA scope…are they closer together than those on the ¼ MOA scope?  No.  Okay, now look at the rotation counter…does the 1/8 MOA scope have twice the rotations of the ¼ MOA scope?  No.  Therefore, the maximum windage and elevation travel of the scope with 1/8 MOA adjustments are going to be a lot less than the scope with ¼ MOA adjustments.  In fact, in identical scopes, the scope using 1/8 MOA adjustments will, in general, have only half the total travel of a scope with ¼ MOA adjustments.

 

Let’s look at the issue of power boosts.  Creating a scope with a power boost of 4:1 (4x to 16x, for example) generally requires an erector tube with a wider diameter than a scope with a 3:1 power boost.  Hopefully you now know why this bad - a scope with a wider diameter erector lens is going to have less total travel for windage and elevation.  For example, the Bushnell Elite 3200 series of scopes has a 3:1 boost, while their 4200 series has a 4:1 boost.  You would think the 4200 would be better for long range shooting, but you might be surprised to find out that the 8-32 4200 Elite has only 20 inches of travel at 100 yards, meaning that if you center the windage perfectly, you might be limited to putting the bullet 10 inches high at 100 yards, which means your maximum range using a 55 grain bullet at 3600 fps is about 560 yards.  Of course, Bushnell did this to reap the wonderful clarity their 4200 series is famous for.  You can always use a tapered base to minimize the effects of limited travel.  Some high-end model scopes have more adjustment travel than their standard line.  For example, the Burris Signature 8-32X has 22 minutes of adjustment, while their Black Diamond in the same model has nearly twice as much.

 

 

Issue #6: How can I tell how much adjustment a scope has before I buy one?

 

By now you have seen one of the most important considerations when buying a scope for long range shooting is the maximum windage and elevation travel.  Luckily, all the good scope manufacturers receive good grades on making this data easy to access on their websites, especially Bushnell.  For the most part, adjustment travel numbers are minimums, and many scopes will do better, sometimes significantly better.

 

Issue #7:  Okay, I am zeroed at 100 yards, but I did have to use some windage adjustment.  Is there a way to tell how far I can shoot in the field?

 

Here is another tip from Garth Kendig.  After you zero at 100 yards, run your vertical adjustment all the way up and then take a few shots at 100 yards.  Measure the distance from the aiming point to the bullet impact, and then use a ballistics program to ascertain your zero with the adjustments maxed out.

 

For example, let’s look at my Savage Model 12 in .22-250.  It sports a Bushnell Elite 4200 4-16x.  Suppose my load is a Hornady V-Max 55 grain bullet at 3600 fps.  I want my reference zero to be as far as it can such that my bullet trajectory travels no higher than 1.5 inches from the line of sight.  That means I zero for 220 yards, or 1.3 inches high at 100 yards.  When I am done zeroing, I run the vertical all the way up.  I shoot a three shot group and discover my bullets hit 15 inches above my point of aim.  I now go into a ballistics program, configure the inputs so that the zero at 100 yards is 15 inches high, and I can see how far I can shoot before I run out of adjustment range.  If you use RCBS.Load, the easiest way to do this is set the “Sight-In Dist” to 100, then click the “S-I Vert Offset” spinner button until it matches the number of inches between your 100 yard group fired with max elevation and the aiming point (in my example that number would be 15).

 

Another good exercise once you are zeroed is to lock your rifle in a rest (or have someone carefully hold it in place) and then run your adjustments out, all the while watching what happens to on a grid target at 100 yards.

 

Issue #8:  Can’t I Just Use High Scope Mounts to Obtain a Longer Zero?

 

Many shooters know that mounting a scope higher above the bore increases the distance the bullet must travel before crossing the line of sight, thus creating a longer range zero.  However, doing this is a poor way to add vertical travel.  If we use the above mentioned .224 bullet at 3600 fps as an example, raising the scope from 1.5 inches to 1.75 moves the longest possible zero from 690 yards to 750, or less than two minutes of an angle in additional elevation.  Less than two minutes difference is hardly worth the expense of high rings, not to mention the other problems associated with a high scope mount.

 

Question # 9:  I like changing my vertical adjustment, but I sometimes get confused where my zero is…is there anything that makes this easier?

 

First, make sure you buy a scope that allows you to reset the turret indicator.  Bushnell, Leupold, and Sightron all make scopes that allow you to reset the turret indication.  I zero most my rifles at 200 yards and then create drop tables that reference that zero.  What is very important to me is what I call the “second zero,” which is the zero of my rifle after one revolution change.  For example, let’s say we are shooting a .22-250 that when zeroed at 200 yards, drops 104 inches at 705 yards.  A drop of 104 inches requires 60 clicks, or 15 MOA, to achieve a zero at that range.  If I was using a scope that had 15 MOA per revolution, this means I can quickly turn the scope one complete revolution to be zeroed at 705 yards.  Starting my count over again at ranges past 705 yards allows me to quickly move from normal hunting zeros to long range zeros.  Incidentally, this is one advantage 1/8 minute adjustments have when hunting big game: a quick turn of the dial on my Bushnell Elite 4-16X is worth 6 inches at 100 yards, which means I can zero a .30-06 2 inches high at 100 yard, and then spin the dial one revolution for a quick 400 yard zero.

 

Once you have identified your close in zero (200 yards for me), you may wish to line out the rotation counter lines below the one you use for your zero.  That way you can quickly spin the dial back down to your normal zero without having to count rotation lines.  Some scopes have rotation counter lines so close together this would be impossible.  Be sure to look before you buy.

 

I also tape a note on the stock of the rifle and indicate the reference zero and the temperature at which it was zeroed.

 

Question #10:  Back when variable scopes first came out, they had a nasty reputation for not holding the same zero throughout the power range.  This isn’t a problem anymore, is it?

 

A few weeks ago I took out my Remington Model Seven in .300 SAUM for a little target practice in the Arizona desert.  The rifle is extremely accurate, but disappointed me when my first shot at 700 yards was about 7 inches high.  I thought it might have been caused by a clean barrel, so I shot another.  That bullet hit almost right on top of the first.  I thought I must be hitting high due to high temperature, although I thought I had compensated for everything properly.  I shot at my 615 yard target, and again noticed I was high.  A little frustrated, I clicked down to my 500 yard zero and shot at the 500 yard target.  That bullet was high.  I then noticed that my Sightron 4.5-14X scope was turned down to 12X.  Thinking nothing of it, I cranked it back to 14X.   Thinking my zero had somehow shifted, I moved 3 clicks down and took a shot at the 600 yard target.  That shot was low by around 5 inches.  “Bingo,” I thought.  “Maybe the zero on this scope shifts a bit at 12X.  To test it, I added my 3 clicks of elevation and dialed in my 700 yard zero.  My shot hit a little to the right, but perfect elevation.  I turned the scope to 12X and fired – that shot hit about 5 inches high.  I alternated shooting at 12X and 14X and proceeded to shoot two groups, one about 6 inches higher than the other.

 

I still have the Sightron scope mounted on that rifle which is now my favorite big game hunting rifle, so my story is no condemnation of that brand.  When I click the adjustments, that scope moves the bullet impact perfectly.  I will live with a bit of zero wandering, because it is steady as a rock at 14X and I have total confidence in the adjustments.  You know, thinking about it, I rarely shoot anything with a variable power scope on anything but the highest or lowest power.

 

If you have any interesting scope tips or questions, I would love to hear them.  Please email me at antanies@envoydevelopment.com.  Have a great day shooting!

 
 

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